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#26 23-01-2019 16:15:17

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Thanks Markus

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#27 04-02-2019 02:14:52

NZMark
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hmmmm - 1st pattern Sahariana, NICE smile
Love the slightly pink hue to the caps cotton
Mark
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Student & Collector of WWII German Tropical Militaria

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#28 06-02-2019 10:33:51

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

NZMark wrote:

Hmmmm - 1st pattern Sahariana, NICE smile
Love the slightly pink hue to the caps cotton
Mark
NZ

Hi Mark
many thanks for your comment.
I love this tunic (and its cap, much rarer than it) because it is the only one I has been able to see in used condition, not fresch from depot, and untouched.
Its particular patina, its arm band and mostly the sholder straps denote a clearly wear by the soldier. smile

Shoulder straps had been modified by the SS man sewing their functional tongues on themselves to make easier inserting them into the tunnel of the Shariana, notoriously difficult even for the shoulder straps SS normally less wide than those of the army!

https://i.postimg.cc/SKSfNj7p/3a.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/QdrRmksk/6.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kXMJsmcg/7.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/W1Whg3cV/8a.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Fzz99b1J/18.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Gmh6638H/5a.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/tC9cVRz2/5bc.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/pVJGxbt8/5c.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kGHt9gMq/5d.jpg

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#29 06-02-2019 12:56:50

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi Marco,

Thanks for the additional photo's, which show some of the important features of this particular tunic.

It is interesting to see how the shoulder strap provisions were so narrow - one would have thought that
the simple bridle arrangement as used on the Heer or Luftwaffe tunics would have been more practical.  Also
interesting to see how the original owner overcame this problem by narrowing the tongues of the shoulder straps.

Thanks again for posting photo's of this great tunic on the forum smile  You don't see many with the original insignia
still attached.

Of course, when the mannequin is finished don't forget to post some photos wink

Regards Markus

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#30 06-02-2019 21:04:16

msteve21
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From: Australia
Registered: 05-12-2011
Posts: 751

Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Concur with Markus comments, fantastic cap and tunic

MSteve


Collector of DAK & Panzer Militia
Great Southern Land

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#31 08-02-2019 10:51:04

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Thanks again for your comments..

Markus wrote:

Hi Marco,
It is interesting to see how the shoulder strap provisions were so narrow - one would have thought that
the simple bridle arrangement as used on the Heer or Luftwaffe tunics would have been more practical.  Also
interesting to see how the original owner overcame this problem by narrowing the tongues of the shoulder straps.

Yes I agree with you. The fixing method of the straps on the tunic is very strange. We can find it in the tropical shirt too. In the other SS tunic there was the normal Heer or LW system.

I have always wondered why the SS shoulder straps had the narrower and more shaped fastening flap than those of the heer and LW.

https://i.postimg.cc/DfczGNvd/sp.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/02bqNXbN/sp2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/MG0CLhr9/sp3.jpg


I had the explanation when I discovered the particular construction of tropical tunics and shirts.
However, evidently, the classical narrowing present in the fixing flap was not sufficient if the soldier was forced to make his personal modifications!

Marco

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#32 08-02-2019 12:15:41

Markus
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Registered: 24-10-2014
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Thanks for the additional photos Marco, I can see now that the lower tongues are indeed narrower
on typical SS shoulder straps.

An interesting feature, as I've spent so much time staring at Heer (especially tropical Heer) straps neutral

Thanks again for posting these great shots, which clearly explain the construction features.

Regards Markus.

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#33 10-02-2019 10:58:31

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi Guys
I thought that maybe I thought that maybe these two photos of the "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" stationed in Italy on Sept-Oct 43 could be of interest for you.
Ciao
Marco

https://i.postimg.cc/TwxKsfg4/1-Pz-div-SS-in-Italia-Sett-ott-43.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/D0ZwVZZB/1-Pz-div-SS-in-Italia-Sett-ott-43-2.jpg

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#34 10-02-2019 12:08:49

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Thanks Marco, nice clear photo's.  The soldiers in shorts and shirts look to be sitting on the front of a Marder III Ausf. M
SdKfz 138 Panzerjäger.

To be frank I didn't recall that LSSAH were in Italy - however I've had a quick look and found as you've mentioned only a few months
in late 1943 (following the battle of Kursk). 

From what I've briefly read, movement to Italy served a dual purpose, disarming of the Italian military following the collapse
of Mussolini's government and re-equipment of the division prior to returning to the eastern front.

I can only imagine they were issued a tropical uniform for this short period of time due to their elite status?

Thanks for posting the photos.

Regards Markus.

P.S. I don't know whether you caught a glimpse of the Italian paratrooper's smock that Rich posted earlier today
in the DAK Pub section?

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#35 10-02-2019 12:54:35

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Markus wrote:

Thanks Marco, nice clear photo's.  The soldiers in shorts and shirts look to be sitting on the front of a Marder III Ausf. M
SdKfz 138 Panzerjäger.

To be frank I didn't recall that LSSAH were in Italy - however I've had a quick look and found as you've mentioned only a few months
in late 1943 (following the battle of Kursk). 

From what I've briefly read, movement to Italy served a dual purpose, disarming of the Italian military following the collapse
of Mussolini's government and re-equipment of the division prior to returning to the eastern front.

I can only imagine they were issued a tropical uniform for this short period of time due to their elite status?

Thanks for posting the photos.

Regards Markus.

P.S. I don't know whether you caught a glimpse of the Italian paratrooper's smock that Rich posted earlier today
in the DAK Pub section?

Yes Markus you are right they stationed in Italy only two mounth!
When the allies landed in Sicily Hitler worried of it and suspended the Unternehmen Zitadelle to transfer troops to Italy. The proved division, reequipped essentially with murder III, collaborated to disarming of the Italian military and occupied some cities of northern Italy, including Milan.  Moreover performed some anti-partisan actions too. The 3rd battalion of the 2nd Grenadier regiment, under the command of Major Joachim Peiper, on 19 September in Boves (Cuneo), operated the first anti-partisan retaliation in Italy, making 24 civilian casualties and burning 350 houses. (massacre of Boves).
On October 22, 1943 after being finally reequipped in Milan for a real armored division it was again transferred to the eastern front.

https://i.postimg.cc/fR4zvdpf/Bundesarchiv-Bild-183-J15480-Mailand-Besetzung-durch-SS-Leibs.jpg
Bundesarchiv Bild 183-J15480, Mailand, Besetzung durch SS- Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler

Ciao
Ps: no I didn't see it, I'll do.

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#36 11-02-2019 00:41:58

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi Marco,

Thanks for the additional photo and information smile

Regards Markus

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#37 11-02-2019 22:25:07

Sebastian.V
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

very nice tunic Zip...Congratulation !

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#38 11-02-2019 23:58:51

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Thank you Sebastian... smile
Marco

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#39 16-02-2019 23:56:09

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi Guys
I am very happy... I managed to contact who found this tunic and cap.
He told me that there were also the trousers together, with exactly the same size and wear of them!!

He will look for them and advise me when he finds.

I hope everything will be fine.
Marco

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#40 17-02-2019 01:04:47

msteve21
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Fingers crossed for the trousers Marco


Collector of DAK & Panzer Militia
Great Southern Land

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#41 17-02-2019 02:20:59

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi Marco, what a fantastic score if you get the original matching trousers smile

Would be great to see them if the new purchase goes ok.

Regards Markus

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#42 02-03-2019 20:57:46

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi friends
it is done.... I am very very happy. smile smile smile

Tomorrow I'll take pictures of them and I'll show you.
Marco

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#43 03-03-2019 00:43:31

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Well done Marco, look forward to the pictures.

Regards Markus

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#44 03-03-2019 15:49:00

zip3120
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Hi friends
here are the pics, as promised.

Finally all pieces are again together!
All fo them have the correct size and same patina. smile

The pants have missing hooks, but they were found in one pocket, perhaps removed by the soldier ...
Five are identical, with same wear and same manufacturer, one is different and more new.



http://i63.tinypic.com/2a7ymx5.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2cik1ee.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/23u5v78.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/mpqq0.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/25k31h0.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/120mm9x.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/9884rr.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/14bqadu.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/rc8y1x.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/5do07q.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/o7n8lh.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2yjt3zm.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/zn7mmo.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/r26clz.jpg


http://i64.tinypic.com/9l9735.jpg


Ciao
Marco

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#45 03-03-2019 23:51:16

Markus
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Re: Luftwaffe or SS Tropical High Top Boots

Brilliant Marco, you couldn't hope to get a better matching set cool

Thanks very much for posting these great photos and I can't wait to see it assembled at some stage on a mannequin in your collection.

Regards Markus

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