AFRIKA KORPS FORUM

Image and video hosting by TinyPic

You are not logged in.

Announcement

New Forum about the DAK and Tropical German army, and Allied army in WW2 only

#1 27-11-2018 02:32:23

Rebbaron55
Supreme DAK Member
From: Central Coast of California
Registered: 08-07-2014
Posts: 1239
Website

1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Here is a book I recently obtained on the Italians in Cyrenica treatment by British and especially Australian military during early campaign in Africa. Book was obtained from Italy before US entry into war and later excessed by library after official marking and embossing! A couple of very interesting photos are included! Enjoy!   Barron

http://i66.tinypic.com/2i6jfpf.jpg,http://i67.tinypic.com/3deyt.jpg,http://tinypic.com/1r54m9ag, http://i67.tinypic.com/j9qxcm.jpg, http://i66.tinypic.com/v6rr0p.jpg

It would be nice if one of our members could translate this title page? The pictures are very poorly captioned except for locations being mentioned!

Last edited by Rebbaron55 (27-11-2018 02:58:15)

Offline

 

#2 27-11-2018 05:56:06

Markus
Veteran DAK Member
From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 594

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Hi Barron, looks like an interesting book - thanks for posting.

I was just having a look at some websites and it looks like over 18,000 Italian POWs were sent to Australia, where many except the
officers and Facist hardcore members were used as farm labourers.

I was reading that a number were placed without guard with individual farming families and that Australia had sought up to
50,000 due to the shortage of workers with many Australian men being away with the armed services.

After the war a number of farmers who had supervised the POW's sponsored them to immigrate back to Australia.

I'm sure that not all of the POW's stories were happy ones, but there are some ..... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-01/ … ld/9445700 

Regards Markus

Offline

 

#3 27-11-2018 07:49:26

Rebbaron55
Supreme DAK Member
From: Central Coast of California
Registered: 08-07-2014
Posts: 1239
Website

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Awesome! Thank you for the addition. Recently in my area of California we had 2 German veterans (one doctor-army medic and one business man-jet pilot and 1 Italian veteran-farmer pass away. Definitely have to read the obituaries religiously! smile   Barron

Offline

 

#4 29-11-2018 05:04:54

msteve21
Veteran DAK Member
From: Australia
Registered: 05-12-2011
Posts: 580

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Great topic Barron

Many of my friends fathers were Italian POWs (all deceased now) and they migrated back out to Australia after the war. Spent many a night around their family dinner table hearing how they ended up been captured and working as farm labours in North NSW on cattle, sheep and fruit farms.

A local sheep farmer here in the New England District still users a timber wool classing table made by his of his Italian POW labours.

These guys and their families have made a huge contribution to Australian society over last 75 years, we're lucky they decided to come back and settle here


Collector of DAK & Panzer Militia
Great Southern Land

Offline

 

#5 29-11-2018 07:02:38

Rebbaron55
Supreme DAK Member
From: Central Coast of California
Registered: 08-07-2014
Posts: 1239
Website

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Thank you Steve! Hopefully everyone remembers and appreciates some memories of soldiers from all sides that crossed their paths! smile   Barron

Offline

 

#6 29-11-2018 07:55:26

Markus
Veteran DAK Member
From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 594

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Hi Barron, I thought you might be also interested in this information....

I’ve found that about 130 Italian POWS and detainees who died whilst in detention in Australia during WWII were brought
from many parts of the country to be interned together in a mausoleum that was constructed in 1961 at Murchison in Victoria.

Here are a couple of photos of the Ossario mausoleum at Murchison.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_ossario.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_inside_ossario.jpg


More information can be found here:  https://murchisonhistoricalsociety.word … murchison/

From what I’ve read briefly this afternoon Murchison was the largest POW camp in Australia during the war and housed about 2,000 Italian, 1,300 German
and a smaller number of Japanese prisoners. 

The Germans were largely soldiers captured in North Africa or surviving crew members from the raider Kormoran.   Here are a few photos from the Australian War
Memorial photo collection of POWs at Murchison.

Italian POWS

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_italian_prisoners_1.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_italian_prisoners_2.jpg


German POWs, many still in their tropical uniforms……

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_german_prisoners_1.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_german_prisoners_2.jpg


The German officers were housed separately in a compound centered on the Dhurringile Homestead at Murchison.  Some are
shown in the photo below.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_german_officers.jpg

The Dhurringile Homestead
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dhurringile_homestead.jpg


Many more photos of the POWs, the camps and their guards can be accessed from the AWM website here:

https://www.awm.gov.au/advanced-search? … 01939-1945


The Germans who died in captivity were buried in their own cemetery at Tatura, which is very close to Murchison. 
Below is a link that will take you to a YouTube video of that German cemetery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj8Q00aBlTc   

Regards Markus

Last edited by Markus (29-11-2018 13:31:29)

Offline

 

#7 29-11-2018 10:56:19

msteve21
Veteran DAK Member
From: Australia
Registered: 05-12-2011
Posts: 580

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Great information Markus,


Collector of DAK & Panzer Militia
Great Southern Land

Offline

 

#8 29-11-2018 17:49:50

Rebbaron55
Supreme DAK Member
From: Central Coast of California
Registered: 08-07-2014
Posts: 1239
Website

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Thank you so much guys for your interest in this subject and knowledge of additional of further information available on present day effects to be noticed in your area! smile    Barron

Offline

 

#9 29-11-2018 23:07:48

RRA227
Supreme DAK Member
From: Hokendauqua.Pa. U.S.A.
Registered: 23-06-2011
Posts: 1532

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Great post! Rich A. in Pa.


1969 Shelby GT-500 King of the Road
Knowledge is power, guard it well.

Offline

 

#10 30-11-2018 02:42:13

Markus
Veteran DAK Member
From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 594

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Yes Rich, I agree that this is a very interesting topic.  Thanks again to regular contributor Barron who started this thread and
for the contributions of msteve21 - it's always fantastic to have personal knowledge of a topic.

I was reading that in July 2018 Murchison was recommended to be placed on the Victorian Heritage Register as a "registered place".  The recommendation
for this is an interesting read.  There is a very good summary of the camp history between pages 16 - 18 and some good photos of building remnants, prisoner monuments
and wartime photo's between pages 25 - 42.  You can access this document if you click on this link: http://heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/wp-co … NCLUDE.pdf

Murchison has also been discussed at length on another forum and I've included a link to this as well.  There is much detailed information in this forum thread
if you want to have a read of the postings.  Here is the link:  https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic … p;t=158493

Regards Markus

Last edited by Markus (30-11-2018 02:44:28)

Offline

 

#11 30-11-2018 11:03:55

Rebbaron55
Supreme DAK Member
From: Central Coast of California
Registered: 08-07-2014
Posts: 1239
Website

Re: 1941 Dated US Intelligence Book on Italians Versus British in Desert

Thank you again, Markus! Really wonderful additional references. Wish I had that extensive information available on more of my local POW camps!
          Barron

Offline

 

Board footer

Créez Votre Propre Forum
Insérer vos Graphiques
Dictionnaires de Traduction
Hébergé par ForumCrea.com