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#1 31-10-2018 09:05:51

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 672

2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Hi, I’ve had this tunic for a few years but haven’t posted it previously.

It’s a 2nd pattern tropical Heer tunic, which has been stripped of it’s original insignia and probably the shoulder strap
bridles (which appear to me to have been replaced). 

The collar litzen currently mounted on the tunic have been fitted by a previous owner post war and are hand tacked to the collar. 

I have reservations about whether they are original as the copper coloured centre sections appear much lighter than other factory
attached litzens that I have seen on first and third pattern tunics in my collection.  I’d value the opinion of experienced collectors on these litzen.

Unfortunately the size, depot and manufacturer markings appear to have been almost completely worn or washed out.  There are just the
faintest remnants left.

I don’t know what you guys think but it seems that even stripped 1st and 2nd pattern tropical tunics are becoming harder to find - they
used to regularly appear even on eBay but now not many originals appear for sale.

Anyway, here are the photos.

Regards Markus

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02985.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02994.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02997.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03003.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02996.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02986.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02987.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02990.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02993.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02999.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02992.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02988.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03007.jpg


Photo of a 2nd pattern tunic being worn by a captured soldier in Tunisia in 1943 - refer to the guy on the left hand side...
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_2nd_pattern_tunic_tunisia_1943.jpg


More POWs in Tunisia 1943.  The two soldiers standing in the front on the left and middle are clearly wearing 2nd pattern tunics (i.e. no pleats on pockets).
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03123.jpg


The two photos below come from Rommel's Army in Africa by Dal McGuirk and show images of the 2nd pattern tunic.

Studio portrait, p. 154
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03116.jpg


Officer in transit to North Africa during a stopover in southern Italy in January 1943, p. 147.
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03119.jpg


Here is a photo of a 2nd pattern tunic being worn with the Afrikakorps cuff title by the fellow in the middle of the shot.
Photo credit is to forum member Bond and is an old posting from back in 2011 - see the original here: http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/viewtopic.php?id=29
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_2nd_pattern_bond.jpg


Another example, officer wearing a 2nd pattern tunic - highly likely Südfront.
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_sudfront.jpg


Italy 1943
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_sudfront_2.jpg


Jäger on Südfront
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_sudfront_3.jpg


2nd pattern tunic still being worn in May 1945.  German troops left behind and isolated on a Greek island handing in weapons following Germany's
surrender - see fellow third from left with unpleated tunic pockets.
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_greek_is_1945.jpg


There are also some further photos of the 2nd pattern tunic being worn (most appear to be Südfront portraits) in this excellent
post by member Thoms:  http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/viewtopic.php?id=820

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#2 31-10-2018 14:46:12

RRA227
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Great uniform coat.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#3 02-11-2018 06:04:56

msteve21
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From: Australia
Registered: 05-12-2011
Posts: 594

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Nice original 2ns pattern tunic Markus

Litzen  is wartime original, but unissued, I have a spare set and they are 100% match with matching colour to yours
It not that easy to find tropical litzen so your lucky  to have it on the tunic


Tunic are still out there to be found it, seems to be a run on 3rd patterns at the moment, just the asking prices are way over market value IMO
2nd patterns aren't as common as 1st from what I seen over last few years

Cheers
MSteve


Collector of DAK & Panzer Militia
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#4 02-11-2018 06:55:39

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 672

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Thanks for the comments guys and for msteve21 confirming that the litzen looks to be original.

I suppose what made me think they might be repro was because the breast eagle that was hand stitched to the tunic when I
bought it was was probably one of the worst I've seen.  I'd kept the litzen on hoping they had a chance.

Interestingly, at some stage this tunic also had a cuff title fitted on the wearer's left sleeve, you may be able to see some of the stitch marks
in the first photo.

Regards Markus.

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#5 02-11-2018 10:40:45

msteve21
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From: Australia
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Posts: 594

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Hi Markus
Can you post a photo of the rear collar where the litzen is applied, curious to see if they are original to the tunic
Cheers
MSteve


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#6 02-11-2018 13:09:26

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 672

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Hi, here are the undersides of the collars - no evidence of other stitching from what I can see...

Regards Markus

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03019.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc03020.jpg

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#7 02-11-2018 21:24:00

msteve21
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

From that we can assume postwar applied
Cheers
Msteve


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#8 02-11-2018 22:58:21

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 672

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Thanks, to date all of the tropical litzen I've seen factory mounted on original tunics have been machine stitched.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply Mark smile  Thankfully I can just leave these in place, whoever has mounted
them has done a reasonably neat stitching job.

Regards Markus.

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#9 07-11-2018 05:18:55

NZMark
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From: New Zealand
Registered: 08-04-2011
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Nice 2nd pattern, Markus.
The original litzen have been off for a very long time, no evidence of the sewing or shadow on the rear remains. I like it, a good strong fabrication. This does not mean early war, by any means, though as I've owned 1944 made 2nd patterns which were just as good as 1942 ones.
Cheers!
Mark.


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#10 07-11-2018 11:37:10

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 672

Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Thanks Mark.

Regards Markus

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#11 12-12-2018 17:08:37

don_kihotis7
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Nice tunic Markus.
I don't have an issue with the Litzen. Has your camera captured the true color of the stripes?
Are they yellow? I am asking because i have several in gold color but in pictures appear yellow.


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#12 13-12-2018 05:27:08

Markus
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Hi Chris, thanks - the colour is definitely gold, just checked again and it must have been the lighting at the time
the photo was taken.

Regards Markus

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#13 25-12-2018 20:32:48

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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Merry Christmas guys.
Mark i am puzzled with these gold coloured Litzen. In construction and everything they look original but i have never encountered a tunic with factory applied Litzen having this example with gold stripes.


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#14 26-12-2018 06:31:05

Markus
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Re: 2nd Pattern Tropical Heer Tunic

Yes Chris, I agree.  I had bought an original tunic removed eagle to restore my tunic but when I put it next to the
gold litzen it just doesn't look quite right...

I'll try to pick up a used pair of the standard coloured litzen if possible - you see them from time to time but you have to move quick.

Regards Markus

P.S. Merry Christmas.  Thanks also to you and NZMark for your interest and for continuing to act as moderators on the forum.
I always value your opinions as even after 4 years of collecting I consider that I still have much to learn smile

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