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#1 12-02-2015 01:33:30

Rebbaron55
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Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thought I would bring up this subject of German Tropical Holsters. The one that I am displaying is the most common to be displayed, as such, it was made for the German acquired and manufactured Hungarian Femaru Model 1937 .32 cal/ 7.65mm semiautomatic pistol which is a 1943 example of the pistol coded jhv 43. Shown also,  clockwise from top with it are the light brown all leather drop holster usually made for the Luftwaffe, but this one I believe is inspection proofed for police use, the light brown leather flap and web body type is marked for Luftwaffe, with the remaining two canvas and leather types also being marked with the police eagle proof. cool

http://i59.tinypic.com/24zj7ra.jpghttp://i62.tinypic.com/2lavgnl.jpghttp://i58.tinypic.com/1zck5xi.jpg,

http://i62.tinypic.com/20p7bsy.jpghttp://i60.tinypic.com/21nh0ed.jpghttp://i61.tinypic.com/fu3n8z.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ibylao.jpg,   http://i60.tinypic.com/2mz057r.jpg,   http://i58.tinypic.com/34tbafl.jpg

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#2 12-02-2015 02:05:33

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

A good selection of utilized holsters!
I believe these were used in all theatres of operations...
Cheers!
Mark


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#3 12-02-2015 10:22:28

Sebastian.V
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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

I have one, I will post later

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#4 12-02-2015 10:32:46

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Awesome mate.
I love the ones with leather-webbing combo.


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#5 12-02-2015 12:51:36

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Nice holsters. Rich A. in Pa.


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#6 12-02-2015 13:57:52

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Nice Holsters, are someone of you Guys know about ,had Luger also made Tropical Holsters by themself ???, ore was the Afrikakorps just issued with foreign Holsters???

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#7 12-02-2015 15:30:08

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

They rarely used anything but standard leather holsters in the desert for the standard issue weapons of both P08 Lugers and P38s by photographic evidence. As in most militaries the German military issued weapons to enlisted men and allowed officers to acquire whatever they wanted with an allowance for initial purchase. Naturally soldiers captured weapons during the war often that they liked better from their opponents and utilized them instead! Sometimes this would cause headaches for supply of ammunition but most European nations had standardized the 7.65mm and 9mm calibers for their pistols.
                                                                                                                                                         Barron

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#8 11-10-2018 22:00:49

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

As promised here are some of my other small and medium holsters that would have been found in use in the North African theater of operations. Top example is a multi-purpose holster for the Mauser HSC and the Sauer & Sohn model 1938h of which there is a second example in the bottom row to be expounded on later! Below left is a pig skin example of a holster for a Czech designed and produced under German control model CZ 1927. Below center is a holster produced by AKAH for the Walther PPK. Last is the Green Italian multi-purpose holster designed for the Beretta Model 1934 but used by the Germans for many of their pistols.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07296_zpskncbufwg.jpg, http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07297_zps0kzxaaec.jpg

First I will feature an example of the Mauser HSC 7.65 mm double action semi-automatic pistol and the holster shown above in more detail. This type was commonly used by all the branches of the German military, especially the Navy and the Luftwaffe. There were over 334,000 manufactured. This example was proof marked by the German Army.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07302_zpsnpm13wk1.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_mauser20hsc20dsc03862a_zpsxpfxfwuw.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_mauser20hsc20dsc03858a_zps5kjm5pv3.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_20181007_114414c_zpsf1rqcqif.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_hsc20holster20markings2020181007_114502_zpsyz0zdp5l.jpg

WaffenAmpt 288? on retaining strap. Manufacturer code under retaining strap rubbed off by use jhg? 42.

Last edited by Rebbaron55 (12-10-2018 20:45:55)

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#9 13-10-2018 00:28:53

msteve21
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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Great selection of holsters Rebbaron,
MSteve


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#10 13-10-2018 00:36:36

RRA227
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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Nice holsters.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#11 13-10-2018 04:21:11

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Hi Barron, nice items - thanks for posting smile 

I agree that it's likely that the three letter code on the Mauser HSc holster is jhg 42, which was used
by well known manufacturer Gustav Genschow.  Apparently Genschow had a number of premises, including a factory at Hachenburg.

The Waffenamt on the holster is likely to be WaA286, which Genschow used on holsters in 1942.

Regards Markus.

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#12 15-10-2018 07:04:23

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thank you again for the additional information on the previous holster! The next type I am displaying is for the Czechoslavakian Model 1927 7.65mm automatic pistol and pigskin leather holster and nice clear waffenampt WaA77 plus RB Nr. that is not fully readable. This type pistol was heavily used by German soldiers of all services after the Czechoslavakian occupation. The pistol is a very early war example with manufacturer and waffenampt 76 nicely displayed.  Barron

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_20181014_100202a_zps6lacljv2.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc04003b_zps68grzmt6.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc04004f20-20copy_zps03btcapt.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc04006_zpsoghh5ll6.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03891.jpg

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#13 15-10-2018 09:29:38

Markus
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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Hi Barron, nice pistol and holster, thanks for posting smile 

I couldn't help but look further into the holster and it looks like the RBNr is 0/1250/0011, followed by the letters EZGJ, the year of manufacture and WaA721.

It can really be hard to read these numbers on pebbled leather items!

I've found a number of references to other similar holsters with the same markings for this type of firearm, but wasn't able to track down a specific manufacturer. 
The middle 4 digits in the RBNr /1250/ apparently signifies a manufacturer in the Klattau region in Bohemia (Czech Republic). 

A reference which I use regularly suggests that the manufacturer for RBNr 0/1250/0011 is a known manufacturer of holsters for your pistol and was located in Leitomischl,
but unfortunately that's all I've got.

Regards Markus.

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#14 15-10-2018 13:49:32

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thanks again Markus for the additional information!   Barron

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#15 16-10-2018 18:43:59

RRA227
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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Nice pistol/holster.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#16 16-10-2018 19:03:17

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Here is the next example on the list: the Sauer & Sohn Model 38h with the same type of holster as the earlier Mauser HSC. This model is in caliber 7.65mm and was was heavily used throughout the war by all services. The only manufacturer was S & S in Suhl.  Barron

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07306_zpsilajsbi4.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_mauser20hsc20amp20samps2038h20dsc03854a20-20copy_zpsh5zfuaa7.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_mauser20hsc20amp20samps2038h20dsc03855a20-20copy_zpsqoeerbrc.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03864a_zpsaj4deb2e.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03865_zpscpivdcjt2.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc0386720-20copy_zpsiudn6dk7.jpg

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#17 17-10-2018 07:01:37

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Great pistol and holster Barron, that's quite a collection that you've got there smile

Regards Markus.

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#18 17-10-2018 13:49:00

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thank you, Markus! As mentioned earlier several of the pistols were bought 35 years ago to compliment the holsters I already had obtained about 40 years ago! smile  I still have a few holsters with nothing to fill them! sad  Barron

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#19 17-10-2018 20:03:57

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Here is the fourth of five holsters that I featured in the group photo-the Walther PPK. This one is an undated early war holster manufactered by AKAH as shown with logo under strap. The pistol is a commercial proofed mid-war example in 7.65 mm caliber.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_20181016_171904a_zpsallypw4u.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03576b20-20copy_zpsgkgiryzv.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03577fca_zpsqzp0kwfc.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc03588_zpst8fnr5ul.jpg

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#20 18-10-2018 00:19:08

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Nice.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#21 18-10-2018 12:54:25

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thanks for posting Barron, another nice weapon and holster smile

I've had a quick look and it seems that the AKAH Lederwaren company (Albrecht Kind GmbH) continues to trade and is still a major
manufacturer of leather pistol holsters today, supplying most German police forces.

https://www.akah.eu/home/our-company/history/

Thanks again for your contributions and support to the Forum big_smile

Regards Markus

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#22 19-10-2018 13:35:01

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Very interesting! Thanks again Markus! smile   Barron

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#23 19-10-2018 13:56:33

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Here is the last of the illustrated holsters to be covered-the Italian Beretta 1934 model. This typical unmarked Italian pistol holster held several different pistol varieties in German and Italian service.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07305_zpsbnlqcnz9.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07293a20-20copy20-20copy_zps1br4xtsk.jpg,http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07294a20-20copy_zpsnwypsvoz.jpg

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#24 19-10-2018 14:13:53

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Re: Holster with Pistol Falsely Perported to be for Tropical Use.

Thanks Barron for another great post smile

Regards Markus

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