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#1 16-04-2018 03:28:01

Markus
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Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Hi, over the last couple of years I've acquired these two brown K98 ammunition pouches.  It seems like a small number of these type have appeared through dealers - usually as a single item and not as a pair.   

I know that there has been a fair bit of discussion about brown 'tropical' K98 pouches on the WAF and there are a number of divergent views, especially with historical black and white photo's and lack of vet acquired provenance. 

Both pouches appear to be unissued and marked on the reverse with a small oval makers stamp, which may be E.B Leuner of Bautzen.  One is far clearer than the other and is dated 1941.

There are no LBA or other stamps on the interior of either of my pouches.

Regards Markus.

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Rear of pouches shows different coloured leather straps - I'm assuming leather scraps from other products as these were not seen when pouches were worn...
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Comparison of orange brown pouch colour compared with dark chocolate brown of a map case..
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I thought that this image was interesting as it shows another view of the photo on the Signal magazine cover used as the banner for the AK Forum...
The pouches don't look to be the typical standard black type... are they brown leather?
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_brown_pouches.jpg

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#2 19-04-2018 09:52:57

msteve21
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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Am I right in thinking same pounces issued to both Luftwaffe and Army,?

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#3 19-04-2018 12:02:29

Markus
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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Hi, from what I've observed same basic design of pouches but some different features.  Overwhelmingly the Heer K98 pouches that I've seen in photos in North Africa appear to be black.

Some suggest that a brown pouch was designed specifically for Heer use in tropical areas.  This type of orange / brown pouch is often offered as being the type.   I'm yet to make my mind up as there is much conflicting information and from what I've personally seen not much historical evidence.

The early war Luftwaffe ones are usually a darker brown and stamped inside with the LBA acceptance stamp.  I understand these also later may have changed to black.

This link may be of interest - http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/ … p?t=581694

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Markus

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#4 19-04-2018 13:19:44

RRA227
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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Those are nice pouches. Rich A. in Pa.


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#5 20-04-2018 03:28:05

Markus
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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Thanks Rich.  Following msteve21's posting I've had a more detailed look at K98 pouches in one of the reference books I've used for over 20 years - Uniforms and Traditions of the Germany Army 1933-1945 (Vol. 3) by John Angolia and Adolf Schlicht.

I don't know how widely available this book still is, my edition is dated 1987.

I also don't know what other collectors think of this publication but I've found Vol. 3 to be quite useful as it has a wealth of broad information on German WWII field equipment.

Pages 62 to 66 cover K98 ammunition pouches (Patronentaschen).  Some of the interesting information in the book that I've been able to refresh my memory with is:

*  Troops in front line units armed with the K98 rifle were issued with 2 pouches.  Rear echelon troops only had one pouch issued.
*  Pre-war pouches were often marked with unit details, but this was discontinued due to security concerns.
*  A light brown pebbled leather version of the K98 pouch was produced in limited numbers in 1940 and 1941 for tropical use.  Production was limited however, as the need for a different coloured pouch was not deemed essential. 
   The book states that "This version should not be confused with the darker brown Luftwaffe-issue or the police-issue brown pouches".

Here is also a copy of page 267 of the Robert Kurtz book on Afrikakorps Tropical Uniforms,  which compares the black and brown K98 pouches....

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02590.jpg

Unfortunately I'm by no means an expert on these items...

Regards Markus

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#6 20-04-2018 20:18:58

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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Very valuable info here Mark. Thanks a lot.


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#7 21-04-2018 12:58:01

Markus
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Re: Brown K98 ammunition pouches

Thanks for the comments Chris. 

Regards Mark

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