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#26 05-11-2011 13:58:29

alexandre
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

hello very good!
what do you think about this km one? http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie … 1555.l2649
this is an orignial?

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#27 09-11-2011 04:14:37

NZMark
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Alex,
I agree - original - and someone got a small bargain...
Regards,
Mark


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#28 14-11-2011 08:35:41

barry1954
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Great thread Guys. To keep it ticking over here are some pics of the latest edition to the sandpit. a 1940 dated Carl Halfar. The cap was found in a suitcase in South Africa together with a luft sidecap and some other bits and pieces.
Barry

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/26_13.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/26_22.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/26_55.jpg

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#29 14-11-2011 11:04:30

Sebastian.V
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Whoooo Barry...very nice cap...Mark will be jealous for sure ! big_smile

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#30 14-11-2011 15:58:55

Bond
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Very nice cap, with original applied eagle etc...

Regards,

Jerry


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#31 17-11-2011 11:05:15

Tin Soldier
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Barry 1954,....thats a fantastic cap with green soutach/piping still attached - AWESOME!!!
I wish mine still had the piping still attached, if i remember correctly it would be Panzer Grenadiers or Rifle Regiment?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong? Hard to keep up with all this stuff big_smile

Nice cap tongue

Cheers
Stu

Last edited by Tin Soldier (18-11-2011 04:33:33)


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#32 17-11-2011 13:46:51

barry1954
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Thanks Stu. Your cap is also a stunning example. The colour of the soutach is for Pz Gren.

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Barry

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#33 18-11-2011 04:32:57

Tin Soldier
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Thanks Barry,.....well thats fantastic Panzer Grenadiers, you lucky devil wink
I wish they were not ordered to remove their soutach sad

Cheers
Stu


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worth while is the one who can smile when everything goes dead wrong.


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#34 19-11-2011 09:32:53

NZMark
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

S.Vestae wrote:

Whoooo Barry...very nice cap...Mark will be jealous for sure ! big_smile

Hi Sebastien!
No, not jealous at all - Barry will take good care of it - until he sells it to me!
Stu - most soldiers were proud of their arm-of-service colours and retained them until forced to remove the soutache. Only supply difficulties made the removal a practical solution to a situation beyond the troops control.
Wonderful stuff!
Mark


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#35 22-11-2011 04:56:39

The Magpie
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Mark

I believe the soutache was ordered to be removed so that the Allies could not identify the soldats unit. No need to give away this info so easily.

& Barry

Oustanding Cap !

Heia Safari
Tim

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#36 22-11-2011 06:07:21

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Tim,
I really don't think recognition was the reason - their shoulder-strap piping alone was enough to identify units. I know of an NZ intelligence officer who went out at night and collected straps from corpses to bring in (as well as soldbuchs) to ID the opposition. I believe it was simply a case of supplies - imagine a shipment of caps finally reaching a PzGrn Rgt - only to find out they were signals soutached caps...
Heia Safari!
Mark


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#37 22-11-2011 06:21:36

The Magpie
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Tin Soldier wrote:

Barry 1954,....thats a fantastic cap with green soutach/piping still attached - AWESOME!!!
I wish mine still had the piping still attached, if i remember correctly it would be Panzer Grenadiers or Rifle Regiment?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong? Hard to keep up with all this stuff big_smile

Nice cap tongue

Cheers
Stu

Hi Stu

Green waffenfarbe was worn by a number of DAK units including the Machinegun Battaillons  2,8, Motorcycle Recon Btn. 15 Light Inf Rgmts. 200,361, Motor Rifle Rgmt. 104 Mechanized Panzergrenadier Rgmt. 115 so green (then rosa) piping was the most common color in Afrika.

Heia Safari
Tim

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#38 22-11-2011 06:36:46

The Magpie
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Mark

Perhaps it was abit of both. If You were captured you were supposed to remove your shoulder straps and tk's (if you had them) so the Allies could not tell which unit you were with, of course most often capture would prevent this from happening. Same for Officers though many preferred to be recognized as Officers (old school) lol.
Agree that the rather absurd practice of sewing on a soutache before issue to a soldat created many supply headaches. Not only did supply have to get the right size but correct soutache too, on every single soldat. But thats one of the reasions why the Germans lost the War isn't it, they were too specialized, with not enough simple production. Everything from uniforms to panzer's....

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#39 22-11-2011 06:40:03

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Agreed, Brother!


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#40 04-03-2012 09:03:25

barry1954
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Guys

I am back in SA and had some time this weekend to take a few pictures. Here is a group photo of my caps. On the left is a 1940 Carl Halfar, middle is a 1941 Officers upgrade Carl Halfar and on the right is a ex-signals soutache 1942 dated Valet.

Barry

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/26_dsc_0003.jpg

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#41 09-03-2012 08:18:44

Tin Soldier
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hooley Dooley Barry yikes

Very nice indeed, i love soutach big_smile
When you watch a movie about WW2 all the Germans either have only
white piping or none at all? But as we know there would have been many different
colours on caps & shoulder boards etc. No one has recreated this properly on film hmm
Oh except for the latest Red Baron movie even though it's WW1 all the pilots still wore
their old cavalry uniforms with Red, White & Yellow piping which was good to see, but most of
the rest was fantasy including the story sad

Well you can't have everything as they say roll

Awesome!
Thanks
Stu

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#42 09-03-2012 12:28:57

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

very rare cap....I love the PZ grenadier cap !

Congratulation

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#43 09-03-2012 21:50:58

NZMark
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

I actually like the Rifle Rgt cap (pre upgrade would be my honest preference!) I have a tunic made from the same streaked twill which this would go nicely with...HINT, HINT....smile
Good to see this thread still gets read.
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_41_lubstein_004.jpg
Mark


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#44 10-03-2012 11:02:57

andre1983nl
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Very nice caps, pity i can't afford one.


I'm a Re-enactor, so i got reproduction.

OFP.info WW2 Desert Pack - DAK mod for Operation Flashpoint
Collected by me !!

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#45 10-03-2012 11:18:53

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Great pic my friend wink

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#46 24-03-2012 02:12:23

The Magpie
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Barry, those are some Outstanding killer caps ! Like the fold on the reseda piped cap, especially.

& Mark
Love the wear on the last M40. Who is the maker ? Really sings to you...

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#47 25-03-2012 03:13:02

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Hi Magpie...
1941, Robert Lubstein:)
Mark


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#48 04-07-2012 23:29:41

Eddie
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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

Pictures of my unissued DAK cap, Mark this is a great thread what a thrill to see these caps something you hardly see at Military Fairs now, a big thank you guys for this wonderful forum I love it.

http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q602/DAKEddie41/P7060074.jpg

http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q602/DAKEddie41/P7060076.jpg

http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q602/DAKEddie41/P7050063.jpg

http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q602/DAKEddie41/P6130023.jpg

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#49 05-07-2012 00:25:05

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

A BEAUTY, Eddie!
I can't quite make out the RB# - Could you tell me what it is, please? I may be able to tie it to a manufacturer.
Great photos, too - and the portrait of the soldier in tropical uniform is wonderful...any inscription or date on the reverse?
Cheers!
Mark


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#50 05-07-2012 10:52:06

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Re: WWII German Tropical Caps - An Overview.

What a very nice collection Eddie.... I have no words....

Just Bravo...
Sebastian

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