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#1 28-09-2018 21:09:29

Rebbaron55
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German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

As I mentioned i would display my examples of German clamshell type holsters found in North Africa. I will start with the two most common that can also be found in brown finish either political or Luftwaffe (a lot of Reproductions). The one on the left is for a P-38 which I obtained 40 years with pistol (Walther ac 41) and US military capture papers. The second is for a P-08 Luger with pistol (Mauser byf 41) which I also obtained about the same time.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07322_zpsbeuf2mct.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07323_zpszudhhnan_1.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07324_zpsq9jqrqrm.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07325_zpsewddp317.jpg,

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc07326_zpseaob2vey.jpg

Here are the closer images of the manufacturer markings on the P-38 holster:

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_20180929_060947b_zps9p1xjhg6.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_20180929_060947d_zpsnpxkbeoz.jpg

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#2 29-09-2018 00:15:49

RRA227
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Nice stuff.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#3 29-09-2018 01:34:47

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Very nice items Barron, even better if you have some of their history through capture papers smile  Thanks for posting.

I see that the P.08 holster has the manufacturer code dla stamped on the back.  You may have already researched this, but I had a quick look this morning and
dla is the three letter code for well known military leather products manufacturer Karl Barth Militäreffektenfabrik of Waldbröl (near Cologne).  Your holster also has
the correct Waffenamt inspection stamp of WaA195.

Before and after the war Karl Barth was a manufacturer of leather travel goods and survived until 1987.  The original factory at Walbröl was demolished to make way
for the construction of a new shopping centre in 2003 - some pictures can be found here:  https://waldbroel.de/waldbroel-portrait … th-fabrik/

Is there any manufacturer code on the P.38 holster?

Regards Markus

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#4 29-09-2018 01:55:36

msteve21
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Very informative guys, here my small contribution

I picked this P.08 holster many years ago from Ebay, seller was located in Darwin of all places, sold as a repo

Question  for those in the know on these matters, is this a possible postwar reissue?

Looks like the stamp marking have been rubbed out, except for the 41 date, outline of eagle is just present

I only paid $20 bucks, as a filler, so just curious as to whether its stands a chance

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/75_po8-1a.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/75_po8-2a.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/75_po8-4a.jpg

Cheers
Mark


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#5 29-09-2018 02:08:43

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

At first glance given the overall appearance I'd say probably original msteve21, though the belt straps have been replaced. 

I think this is one of the holsters I was mentioning in another post where after the war the original leather belt loops of some holsters were replaced with a fitting that held metal prongs to fit the holster onto something
like a US pistol belt.  (The metal prongs fitted into the holes in the pistol belt, much like the fitting of the back of a water bottle carrier). 

On yours it looks like this new fitting has then been removed (leaving the four mounting holes) and then a pair of leather belt loops have been stitched back on.

Here's a photo of what I'm talking about...

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_ww2-german-p38-pistol-leather-holster-dkk-42-_1.jpg

The good thing is that if fitted to a mannequin, this won't be visible on the reverse of the holster so you've got a bargain for 20 bucks!

Regards Markus

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#6 29-09-2018 02:33:10

msteve21
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Thanks Markus, I agree with what you say, belt loops more than likely replaced.

I remember you could picks these up at the Sydney gun show in the 80s, fairly common then

Yes it does the job when on the mannequin

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/75_pza.jpg

Cheers

Mark


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#7 01-10-2018 07:30:57

Rebbaron55
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Markus, I wondered if you saw that I added some close up photos of the markings on the P-38 holster?   Barron

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#8 01-10-2018 10:02:06

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Hi Barron, yes I've seen the additional photos now but I can't quite make out what all the stamped letters are. 

Are you able to tell me the three letters before the year (which looks to be 42).

Likewise the numbers that appear after the Waffenamt prefix - WaA___ ?

Thanks,

Markus

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#9 02-10-2018 03:02:32

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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

The left side marking just says 1942 in a shield with what looks like a leaf of some type. The waffenampt is badly damaged by two ding marks but I read W-A93? Question mark seems to be a 3,6,8 or 9. Who knows? At one time I thought I saw an intact illustration of the trademark but did not document it.

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#10 02-10-2018 04:08:15

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Thanks for the extra information Barron smile  Looks like your P.38 holster was made by Christof Neuner Lederfabrik,
of An der Walk 6, Klagenfurt in Austria.  The full Waffenamt number is WaA938.

Neuner was a prominent shoemaker before the war and continued to be successful up until the 1960's.

Here is a good image of the Neuner logo on a 1943 dated P.38 holster.  Der Neuner in German means nine, hence the number 9 in the middle of the logo.

Regards Markus

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_neuner_logo.jpg

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#11 02-10-2018 06:33:23

Rebbaron55
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Fantastic! Thank you so much for looking into this! smile Very interesting! Another unsolved mystery on this holster is the paper glued between the belt loops. I have found paper glued before on some leather portions of some packs and figured I would ask if it might be the remains of one of these! roll    Barron

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2505_dsc08127a_zpsbtjsfrka.jpg

This was on a blue Luftwaffe duffle/transport bag.

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#12 02-10-2018 07:34:01

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

After looking at Barron's P.38 holster I thought I'd have a crack at researching msteve21's P.O8 holster and I reckon that there is a pretty good chance that this is marked bdq.41
which was the three letter code (followed by the year) used by manufacturer Ehrhardt und Kirsten, Koffer und Lederwarenfabrik of Kolbestraße 6 in Leipzig.   Waffenamt stamp would have been WaA170.

Regards Markus.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_msteve_p08.jpg    http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_bdq_41.jpg

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#13 02-10-2018 07:56:16

msteve21
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Fantastic work Markus, thank you big_smile


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#14 02-10-2018 11:51:14

Markus
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Re: German Clamshell Holsters Used in North Africa

Hi Barron, I'm thinking that perhaps your P.38 holster had a handwritten address label stuck to the back to allow a serviceman
to send the holster back to the US.   I've seen a number of similar labels glued to German WWI and WWII helmets mailed back from Europe...  smile

Regards Markus

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_helmet.jpg

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