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#1 29-08-2018 12:06:18

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 546

Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Hi, the mailman has been today and I thought I'd post the latest addition to my collection, a tropical Heer tunic eagle that has been carefully removed.

From looking at the cotton remnants and needle holes it appears that this insignia was completely and very neatly hand stitched when originally applied.

Regards Markus.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02821.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02822.jpg

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#2 29-08-2018 14:09:32

RRA227
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Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Nice eagle.  Rich A. in Pa.


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#3 29-08-2018 23:07:34

KeithTurner
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Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Marcus, a nice eagle thank you for posting.

A couple of questions you may be able to answer please:

Were there Officer patterns of DAK tunic and cap eagles?

Are there different patterns of DAK ORs tunic and cap eagles?

Many thanks, Keith

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#4 30-08-2018 01:15:40

msteve21
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Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Hello Markus

A nice breast eagle, looks to have been machined stitched across the top then flipped and finished off with hand stitching (standard application)

Keith, Officers tropical tunics when issued came with same insignia as EM, the only difference being shoulder boards
At their own discretion officers would add continental collar tabs and bullion breast eagles to dress their tunics up. If you do a search in the uniform and photo section here one will find a selection of photos showing variations in officer tunics

Yes; there are slight variations in tunic patterns and cap eagles, probably would need a separate post to explain in detail

Cheers
MSteve

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#5 30-08-2018 02:33:21

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 546

Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Hi Keith, I’ll try to answer your question but there are some other Forum members, especially moderator NZMark,
who are experts on this and I’m hoping he can also have a look at your question. 

Anyway, my understanding is that German officers in North Africa mostly wore the standard tropical tunic that was
issued to enlisted men (EM), but some used privately purchased tunics.

With the standard EM tunic, some officers retained the factory stitched tropical blue grey collar EM Litzen (collar tabs)
and breast eagle and simply added officer shoulder boards to the tunic to signify their rank. 

Others removed both the Litzen and breast eagle and replaced these with the continental versions of this insignia.  Some fitted the continental officer litzen over the EM Litzen.
I’ve also seen contemporary photos where some have replaced either the Litzen or the breast eagle with continental officer insignia, so there are a few combinations.

Continental officer insignia for a Pioneer Leutnant. 

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02132.jpg

German officers in North Africa often wore the standard M40 tropical field cap, which was of the same as that issued to EM but had a silver cord
attached around the crown.  This was factory stitched at the time of manufacturing the cap, or could also be field applied due to supply shortages.   

This would have the standard smaller tropical eagle on the front of the cap.  I believe that some officers chose to also replace this insignia with a continental version. 
The below photo of Georg Briel, well known officer in North Africa should illustrate what I’ve hopefully explained.

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_briel.jpg

My understanding is that there are three main versions of the EM tropical breast eagle and from memory these and how they
were attached to the tunic are explained in the following post. 

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/viewtopic.php?id=132

Here are my photo's of the three EM breast eagles in my collection which I believe represent the three main versions..

From an early 1st pattern tunic, 1940 or 41 (date stamp washed out...)
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02827.jpg

Latest eagle I just posted, I'm assuming around 1942?  (unfortunately not on tunic so may be hard to compare...)
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_2821.jpg

Eagle from a 1943 third pattern tunic sewn on with zig zag stitching.
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/2587_dsc02829.jpg

The topic of how the breast eagle was attached and judging whether a eagle is still factory attached to a tunic is of great interest to
serious collectors and will markedly effect the value of a tunic if something is a latter replacement.

The below link is a post from member seagerthomas3, which contains a link to an excellent and very detailed paper which
has been written about the M40 tropical cap and I’m sure that most (if not all) questions about this piece of clothing can be answered…

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/viewtopic.php?id=2573

Regards Markus

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#6 30-08-2018 09:48:51

KeithTurner
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From: Essex, UK
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Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

Thank you Markus and MSteve, I will enjoy reading the links and, no doubt, adding extras to my "wanted list"

Keith

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#7 30-08-2018 12:43:20

Markus
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From: Australia
Registered: 24-10-2014
Posts: 546

Re: Tunic removed tropical Heer eagle

No worries Keith, unfortunately sometimes a simple question cannot be answered with a simple answer with this hobby wink

Thanks for the comment Rich and helping out msteve21 smile

Regards Markus

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