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#1 18-04-2011 16:54:26

Bond
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Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Here are my two tropical webbed belts, one which has the buckle that was with it when I bought it and another without a buckle.



Regards,

Jerry

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/10_dak_web_belt_and_assoc_buckle_-_copy.jpg

http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/10_salty_dak_trop_web_belt_-_copy.jpg


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Jerry B.

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#2 20-04-2011 07:26:30

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Lovely, Jerry!
Here's some of mine.
Mark
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_webbed_ys_001.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_2_022.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_belts20002.jpg


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#3 20-04-2011 08:55:56

Bond
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Great selection Mark, the early green one with the matching frog is especially good.


Jerry


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#4 20-04-2011 10:59:09

Sebastian.V
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Whooo Mark ! I love your officer belt !

http://i55.tinypic.com/23s6mtl.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/nl1rma.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2ypc84z.jpg

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#5 06-05-2011 04:59:34

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Here's a couple more of mine to keep this going...
Mark
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_dak20194120001.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_dak20194120003.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_38411belts_009.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_43246belts_025.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_45222belts_024.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_43783belts_006.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_75948belts_008.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_mark20620031.jpg


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#6 06-05-2011 11:00:40

Sebastian.V
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Very fine Mark, please tell me How much money for a nice officer buckle ?

mant thanks
Sebastien

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#7 08-05-2011 11:44:02

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Hello Sebastien,
That's a hard question to answer due to a lot of factors, but if the condition is like mine I'd say about $700? (That includes the webbed belt, of course as it is quite different from the enlisted man's pattern).
I'd hate to be starting out in collecting today. Prices are crazy and the competition is diabolical.
Take Care,
Mark


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#8 08-05-2011 18:10:55

Bond
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Some great belts Mark, as I would expect and also some wise words.

Regards,

Jerry

NZMark wrote:

Hello Sebastien,
That's a hard question to answer due to a lot of factors, but if the condition is like mine I'd say about $700? (That includes the webbed belt, of course as it is quite different from the enlisted man's pattern).
I'd hate to be starting out in collecting today. Prices are crazy and the competition is diabolical.
Take Care,
Mark


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Jerry B.

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#9 11-05-2011 09:14:03

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Thanks Jerry.
The longer we stay in collecting and exposed to a wider community, the more we realize how important it is to stay honest, respectful and gather a group of like-minded and trusted friends as a core to keep us sane as collectors. Too many times we can get screwed over or have our trust broken by others out there with lower collecting ethics. It isn't about the monetary value of our 'bits' as far as I am concerned, but for many that's ALL it's about - that and simply having something that someone else does not.
Here's another 1940 Gustav Brehmer set that just arrived today. I met a fellow at an auction two weeks ago who asked if I'd be interested. Yes!
Regards,
Mark
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_gb_004.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_gb_006.jpg


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#10 11-05-2011 10:01:58

Bond
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Another great looking addition Mark.  What is your opinion on the use of coconut canteens in Africa, as I have heard that some people say they were never there?

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Jerry


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#11 11-05-2011 10:08:55

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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Jerry,
I think they were, just in very small numbers. I have a 1941 dated example that came back to NZ in 1943 - and that soldier never went back so he didn't aquire it in Italy.
One day a photograph will turn up with one slung to a PzIII's turrent!
Mark


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#12 11-05-2011 18:06:12

Bond
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

NZMark wrote:

Jerry,
I think they were, just in very small numbers. I have a 1941 dated example that came back to NZ in 1943 - and that soldier never went back so he didn't aquire it in Italy.
One day a photograph will turn up with one slung to a PzIII's turrent!
Mark

I agree with you on this, the long standing association of the Afrikakorps and the coconut canteens cannot be dismissed and vet bring backs like yours only add to that conviction.  Odd the lack of clear pictures of them in Africa, but as more and more are 'albums' sold on ebay and elsewhere, sooner or later some pictures will surface.

Regards,

Jerry


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#13 07-06-2011 10:16:46

Wessels
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

NZMark wrote:

Jerry,
I think they were, just in very small numbers. I have a 1941 dated example that came back to NZ in 1943 - and that soldier never went back so he didn't aquire it in Italy.
One day a photograph will turn up with one slung to a PzIII's turrent!
Mark

Mark! I think you are right and I think I know the source of your mentioning one day finding an image of one slung to the a Panzer III turret....as I saw some DVD footage yesterday of a III passing by in Afrika with canteens slung on the hull. I couldn't help but to stop, rewind, and forward in slow motion a couple times. Sadly, no coconut/resin types. Not even earlier standard Tropen types, just regular continental types with leather straps.

Let keep searching and hoping to find a pic. If anyone finds one....please be kind and share it with us!


I study and collect uniforms, equipment, decorations, personal effects, photos, weapons and vehicles of the ground forces of the Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and Waffen SS.

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#14 07-06-2011 10:41:36

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Without fail!


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#15 07-06-2011 10:58:08

Wessels
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

And...without giving up! cool

P.S. Your greeen Tropen belt set up is absolutely beautiful!

Last edited by Wessels (07-06-2011 10:59:17)


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#16 07-06-2011 11:18:13

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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Thanks - I do like the greenies. These are more likely to be found here than tan sets due to the number of KIWI's who served in Africa. I do wish my Great Uncle (who started me off on all this) had brought back a few caps, or a tunic or two - but I'm happy he souvenired what he did.
Mark


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#17 07-06-2011 20:15:53

Wessels
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

It's great that a relative (who you can be proud of for serving...and I'm sure you are) started you into collecting. Would love to hear more about him! My brother and I were effected the same way. Our grandfather, Captain Reino Mattila, skippered a US Army Mickey Tug the LT 214 and was at Normandy and served on until 1948. He stayed over after the war, as he had met, fell in love with and married a war bride....Hedwig Wessels who had served as a Flakhelferin der Luftwaffe 1944-45 and went to work for the US military 1946 at the Bremerhaven Port Registry Office where they eventually met. Anyway, they had our mother shortly there after in Bremerhaven and came to america...eventually bringing along her younger brother Heinrich who had been in the Deutsche Jungvolk.

We grew up listening to the stories and looking at the pictures....and when we were young teens, they gave us some souvenirs/war trophies....and the bug had bitten us....it was too late LOL! German national flag, U-Boot badge (traded for cigarettes on the docks of Bremerhaven), and some other items.

We wish all the time that they would have brought over more items, but as we say, "beggars can't be choosers!"

OK, back on target: Mark, you'll remember this post from a ways back on the WAF. I just saw it this morning and thought that in regards to Tropen canteens and whether or not the general issue coconut/resin types saw service also in Afrika, the two following pics may be a bit of evidence for the argument. I will also post these over on the thread about this subject.

Hard to tell...But it appears to be a canteen of the type in discussion (not dark resin body and the cross pattern of the web straps) secured to the handle bars?
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/504CombinedMag11.jpg

Taken from color film footage shot at in Tunisia in 1943 as german PW's march toward naval transport...the circled object appears to be a "coconut canteen"?
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/coco11.jpg

Enjoy!


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#18 10-06-2011 11:37:38

Wessels
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

This is a great thread! I've found myself coming back to it several times. Mark...I love the pic of all your belts rolled up and stacked on eachother for display along with the MG pouch. Such an eye grabber! Here are my two Heer Tropen belts and buckles...

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear068.jpg
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear069.jpg
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear070.jpg
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear071.jpg
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear072.jpg
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear076.jpg
1940 Dated...
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g433/kfz2/DAKFieldGear074.jpg


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#19 10-06-2011 12:39:55

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Nice!
Nothing wrong with either of those belts. Note the upper example in the first two shots has a more verticle ribbing in the weave than the more common diamond form seen in the lower one? Mainly seen in tan, although it also comes in olive green (I've one which I'll photograph and post, a US serviceman's souvenir). I'll also need to update a group shot of my belts, but seriously - I have only a few. I know one collector here who has nearly 40 early webbed belt sets alone...
Mark


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#20 10-06-2011 20:10:35

Wessels
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Thanks Mark! I also appreciate that you noticed the difference in ribbing. I must admit....I've  owned the upper one (with the vertical ribbing) for years before I obtained the lower (with typical diamond ribbing) so the typical one seemed odd to me when I first looked at obtaining it. It's always a thrill noticing and also learning about the many different variations in german uniforms and equipment! I know we'd all be thrilled to see a photo layout of your belts. I'll say it again....Love your officer belt! Mark, your collection has set a mark for us all and the knowledge you share is always greatly appreciated!

On another note....40 webbed BELTS!? Wow!!! I just need enough for the mannequins I have  (or plan) to set up. That way I have enough to set up the guys and within that number, will undoubtedy have variations among them (as in my two belts) to cover the bases.


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#21 02-08-2011 06:08:19

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Hi Team,
Last Saturday I was fortunate to be offered this NZ veteran returned buckle amongst other items brought back to NZ from Africa. It's a typical Gustav Brehmer, dated 1940. The 'pink' discoloration on the face is actually old soldiers soap!
Mark
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_img_5061.jpg


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#22 02-08-2011 17:00:25

Bond
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Looks really good and would go nicely with my webbed belt that has no buckle!

Regards,

Jerry


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#23 03-08-2011 00:10:08

Sebastian.V
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Nice item ! big_smile

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#24 03-08-2011 01:10:58

NZMark
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Thanks Guys -
It came with a bunch of other items that I'll be keeping (as it's a group), although they aren't all tropical.
Cheers!
Mark
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_img_5063.jpg
http://afrikakorps.forumcrea.com/img/avatars/afrikakorps/big/3_img_5062.jpg
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#25 03-08-2011 06:27:29

barry1954
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Re: Webbed tropical belts, show us yours!

Great new addition Mark.

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