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#1 08-04-2016 15:43:29

zip3120
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Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Hi mates
here is another my first pattern tunic, late production.
I found it in 1993, and I never touched it.
What do you think about it?

http://i68.tinypic.com/5aibg0.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/a4ab1t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2wcmoih.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/160f036.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qujgwn.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/105y1pf.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2u753wn.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/212xoo.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/24lo58p.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/1z6xz6t.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/2dr7wwj.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/10eoco5.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/2yool0w.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/29f5s3o.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/34reyw0.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/k0kqvp.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/35alt0w.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/2rf3qxi.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/5pw5t.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/ort6js.jpg

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#2 09-04-2016 02:19:46

NZMark
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Hi Zip,
Stripped tunic with re-applied insignia (eagle appears fake). The shoulder buttons appear to have been sewn on using the same thread as the chevron?
No depot stamp in evidence?
The shortened sleeve is interesting - I've seen this before.
Mark


Student & Collector of WWII German Tropical Militaria

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#3 09-04-2016 04:00:21

msteve21
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Agree with Mark's comments, strip the insignia off and start again
Mark S

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#4 09-04-2016 05:50:40

The Magpie
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Nice stripped 1st pattern that has had the insignia re-applied post war. The eagle is fake. The shortened sleaves are unusual but i like it.

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#5 09-04-2016 13:05:11

zip3120
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Many thanks my friends for your nice replies.
Please what do you think about to transform this tunic in an officer tunic?
In this way I could hide the signs of previous insignia better.
Is this tunic correct for an officer? Furthermore it seems that the chevron has not determined a color difference on the sleave.
Please I need another information, is it true that in war period it was a german fashion to shorten the sleaves?
Ciao Marco smile

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#6 09-04-2016 21:20:54

T Ambrosini
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

The gefreiter patch on the sleeve may leave permanent evidence of having been there once removed.  Just for the sake of appearance, restoring it with enlisted insignia may be preferable to an officer "upgrade".

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#7 10-04-2016 09:49:51

The Magpie
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

T Ambrosini wrote:

The gefreiter patch on the sleeve may leave permanent evidence of having been there once removed.  Just for the sake of appearance, restoring it with enlisted insignia may be preferable to an officer "upgrade".

Agree completely, do not "upgrade" this tunic to an officer that never was. If i'm honest i would say only remove the fake eagle and leave the rest as is, as its all part of this jackets history now. There is far to much restoring going on this website and it seems not many here recognize that "restoring" a tunic, really all you are doing is messing it up more with insignia that was not there originally.   I am purist in that I appreciate the history of the piece in hand and would not think of restoring anything that I own.  However i know i am in the vast minority here that think this way, jmo.

Also when its time to sell these "restored" tunics will they be offered as a stripped jacket + insignia added post war or sold as a tunic with original applied insignia ? Maybe not by the initial seller but what about the second & third seller's ??


best regards
Tim

Last edited by The Magpie (10-04-2016 11:38:08)

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#8 10-04-2016 10:39:37

zip3120
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Hi Tim
I know your thinking and I am almost totally agree with you, in fact I never touched it from 1993. However I like to play on a mannequin the actual appearance of a WWII soldier in combat.
So when I have an original item with wrong parts I am in a state of uncertainty between two conflicting options: keeping everything as it is and then do not use the item on the mannequin sad  or go back the object as it was properly and use it for exposure smile .
These are the big question in every field of restoration:
1) don't touch it
2) restored at best as possible without being able to recognize the restoration
3) restored at best as possible by making sure that you can recognize the restoration.

I think that the third is the better... However, this does not agree with the construction of a correct mannequin. During the battle the soldier never had a tunic wrong or restored with an obvious manipulation!
Everything depends on the value that we want to prioritize!
That is the question
I should like to know your opinions...

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#9 10-04-2016 13:54:47

don_kihotis7
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Hi guys.
Marco it's a nice tunic with restored insignia like eveyone said.
I wouldn't call shortening the cuffs a fashion but if you were given a larger size tunic, it would be normal to alter some areas to meet your needs.
Post a clear close up of the eagle to check originality as there were some late war eagles as ugly as this one but they were original. I believe it's not but better to be 1000% sure.
The litzen are original for sure but they have been applied vice versa.
The chevron has the early war tress before the diamond pattern but the base material looks kind of odd?


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#10 10-04-2016 22:17:09

zip3120
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Hi Don
I post better photos the day after tomorrow.
I did not make a better close up because I thought the eagle was a fake...
Ciao e grazie

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#11 12-04-2016 11:18:25

zip3120
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Ciao Don
here are two close up, one for eagle and one for chevron.
I am eager to know your opinions smile
grazie

http://i66.tinypic.com/2n0ud07.jpg

http://i63.tinypic.com/24683f7.jpg

Last edited by zip3120 (12-04-2016 11:22:21)

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#12 12-04-2016 22:02:49

Sebastian.V
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

same opinion ! wink

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#13 14-04-2016 11:33:21

don_kihotis7
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Yes the eagle is a repro. Still need to research the chevron.


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#14 14-04-2016 13:01:41

zip3120
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Re: Heer tropical tunic first pattern. Opinions

Grazie mille, amico mio

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