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#1 08-07-2015 12:04:49

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My collection (herrzark)

After some years collecting millitaria i bought a glass self from IKEA to put all my collection.I am in sad point to tell that maybe i will buy again something new after some years cause of economical problems here.Hope it is only a big pause and not the end..But i will enjoy seeing my collection every day.Hope you like it to (the ss dager is repro.it is only for display.All others are original)

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/4d1093d6-c007-4a4d-9407-af41d940cf5f_zps1lyjxdi5.jpg

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http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/IMG_20150627_131637_zps9aa3oa0f.jpg


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#2 08-07-2015 12:16:55

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thanks for sharing some images of your collection!
I also hope things work out sooner than later for the economy - it sounds dreadful.
Take Care,
Mark


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#3 08-07-2015 12:21:00

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thank you Mark.Hope so to.Not happy things happens with economy sadly.


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#4 08-07-2015 13:36:35

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Nice display. Rich A. in Pa


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#5 08-07-2015 15:08:03

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thank you very much


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#6 08-07-2015 15:50:33

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Wow Nicos, your collection looks brilliant.

I love your Greek medals. What are those keys for?

The 2 hats look like wrapped sandwiches lol The nylon is not necessary. Only minor dust will be able to get in there cool


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#7 08-07-2015 16:57:00

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

lollollol sandwiches   . You think so Chris??and other guy tolld me so.I will on cover them..The keys are from some closet,I found them inside an old house .The house was old holiday place of King of Greece.Dont know what the keys are.Or if they belonged to the King.They where thrown away int the floor.But are old enough as i can see.
Thank you for your kind words


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#8 08-07-2015 17:04:45

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Just a quick note - you should never store your items, particularly textiles, in plastic; bags, wraps, envelopes, nothing plastic. It is very bad for the artifact.  Textiles, paper, any organic substance (wool is very good at this) will set up its own happy environment in there and when you re-expose it to the oxygen in the air (oxygen is a very corrosive gas!)  the result will be very deleterious to your item. The longer it's wrapped up the worse it will be. (your glass display cases should breathe as well.
Also - plastic off gasses some very nasty things, like formaldehyde among others. If you must use something use Mylar or some inert substance.  And again, don't wrap them up air tight.


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#9 08-07-2015 17:06:21

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Some photos for you Chris..(and near from keys)

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/IMG_20150708_180402_zpsf3ppiwyv.jpg

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/IMG_20150708_180502_zpsmco4lsrz.jpg

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/IMG_20150708_180516_zps9epufjuc.jpg

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss190/herrzark/IMG_20150708_180608_zpsuyhhaccz.jpg


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#10 08-07-2015 17:07:37

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Nice collection thanks for sharing.

Barry

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#11 08-07-2015 19:55:12

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thanks guys for comments and tips.i have already unpacked the items


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#12 09-07-2015 05:35:06

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Nice collection!
I saw a lot of Greece Medals in Ferres by a Tank Battailon on the Wall. It was 1X2 Meter full with all kinds of them from the 1880 until today und have spoken with the commander from the Base that i am interested! But after 3 month when i was back they were thrown away by renovation! What a shame. Shit that i havnt done a picture by this time from them!

Thomas!

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#13 09-07-2015 09:42:25

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Oh no.thrown away??sad.

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#14 13-07-2015 15:29:32

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Alphared6 wrote:

Just a quick note - you should never store your items, particularly textiles, in plastic; bags, wraps, envelopes, nothing plastic. It is very bad for the artifact.  Textiles, paper, any organic substance (wool is very good at this) will set up its own happy environment in there and when you re-expose it to the oxygen in the air (oxygen is a very corrosive gas!)  the result will be very deleterious to your item. The longer it's wrapped up the worse it will be. (your glass display cases should breathe as well.
Also - plastic off gasses some very nasty things, like formaldehyde among others. If you must use something use Mylar or some inert substance.  And again, don't wrap them up air tight.

So Mike i'll take it that this configuration isn't a problem since air can flow from underneath and reach the fabrics, right?



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#15 13-07-2015 17:56:16

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

don_kihotis7 wrote:

Alphared6 wrote:

Just a quick note - you should never store your items, particularly textiles, in plastic; bags, wraps, envelopes, nothing plastic. It is very bad for the artifact.  Textiles, paper, any organic substance (wool is very good at this) will set up its own happy environment in there and when you re-expose it to the oxygen in the air (oxygen is a very corrosive gas!)  the result will be very deleterious to your item. The longer it's wrapped up the worse it will be. (your glass display cases should breathe as well.
Also - plastic off gasses some very nasty things, like formaldehyde among others. If you must use something use Mylar or some inert substance.  And again, don't wrap them up air tight.

So Mike i'll take it that this configuration isn't a problem since air can flow from underneath and reach the fabrics, right?

As stated ... plastic off gasses some very nasty things, like formaldehyde among others. If you must use something, use Mylar or some inert substance.  And again, don't wrap them up air tight.

Plastic, in contact with organics, will, in the long term, be VERY detrimental to your uniforms. Additionally, your plastic bags look to be sealed at the top - not good.  The best way to protect your garments is to have clothing bags made out of unbleached cotton muslin. Also, if your mannequins are plastic, or made out of any material other than an inert, or archival safe material, you are causing damage to your artifacts.  When using mannequins insure they are smaller than your tunics so as not to stress the fabric. After all ... these garments are over 70 years old.


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#16 13-07-2015 19:09:17

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thanks for the reply Mike.

Well that's a difficult thing then. I need something to protect the tunics from dust since i cannot wash them every once in a while. A cotton cover would not suffice since dust will pass to the tunics again.

Even if i manage to find a solution for the torsos, finding inert mannequins is a mission impossible. I have several and have no idea about their materials. To me it just looks plastic.

The torsos are made of styrofoam and a cotton cover is sewn around them.

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#17 13-07-2015 19:31:14

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

don_kihotis7 wrote:

Thanks for the reply Mike.

Well that's a difficult thing then. I need something to protect the tunics from dust since i cannot wash them every once in a while. A cotton cover would not suffice since dust will pass to the tunics again.

Even if i manage to find a solution for the torsos, finding inert mannequins is a mission impossible. I have several and have no idea about their materials. To me it just looks plastic.

The torsos are made of styrofoam and a cotton cover is sewn around them.

Styrofoam is the WORST POSSIBLE thing you could possibly place near your artifacts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Remove every bit of it from your home immediately! Contact a local museum and ask them were they get their archival supplies and  mannequins.

Unbleached cotton muslin is the industry standard and is the best protection you can get. Dust, we call it particulate contamination, is easily brushed away or vacuumed off with a small hand held low intensity vacuum. Unless you live near some industry that is putting a toxic, corrosive element into your air dust is a much smaller problem than encapsulation in plastic or exposure to STYROFOAM!

Trust me - I'm a conservator.

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#18 13-07-2015 22:05:59

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Don, Mike is right!
The best conservation method is hanging into unbleached museline cover (As for suits) It lets the fabric breath and doesn´t retain humidity.
You can make them yourself, they don´t need zipper closure or sophisticated patterns.
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#19 13-07-2015 23:02:25

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Excellent example Erel!  Now that's the way its done!  The hangers should be made of an inert material also (not wood or plastic) they should be thick not thin metal wire hangers, and then padded with a roll of the muslin and extra padding at stress points.

Erel - what museum is that?

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#20 13-07-2015 23:27:33

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Images taken from GOOGLE, "MUSEO DE LA MODA" in Santiago de Chile.
Just to illustrate the proper method of conservation, but if you want to "DISPLAY" I understand that hanging uniforms in a dark wardrobes is frustrating!
You have to evaluate if it´s worth displaying your collection, but it´s so expensive to have the logistic and economic power of Imperial War Museum!!!
How about your Felt tropenhelm?
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#21 14-07-2015 02:14:43

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

erel wrote:

Images taken from GOOGLE, "MUSEO DE LA MODA" in Santiago de Chile.
Just to illustrate the proper method of conservation, but if you want to "DISPLAY" I understand that hanging uniforms in a dark wardrobes is frustrating!
You have to evaluate if it´s worth displaying your collection, but it´s so expensive to have the logistic and economic power of Imperial War Museum!!!
How about your Felt tropenhelm?
Regards.

Indeed, it quite expensive, but must be juxtaposed to the value of your collection.
Also, never store garments with decorations on them. Some metals will corrode when in contact with the highly acidic wool. Also the weight of the decoration will weaken the material over time..

The tropenhelm is complete except for the leather trim around the edge.  I have one last place to look for the right leather.


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#22 14-07-2015 11:16:30

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Thanks for the info guys.

Conservator. That's an interesting profession cool

Yeah i have read that styrofoam is not a good way to display your hats etc since it absorbs humidity and it dries out the sweatbands and leather parts. But i thought that this was an issue with direct contact.

If there is a cotton fabric between the tunic and torso is that also too bad?

Ok the covers i guess can easily be done, but finding torsos made from a different material other than plastic or styrofoam is a mission impossible.


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#23 14-07-2015 14:04:29

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

Yes conservator is very interesting.especialy with ancient buildings..for our collection now.this glass cabinet i have helps a little with dust?


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#24 14-07-2015 14:54:11

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

herrzark wrote:

this glass cabinet i have helps a little with dust?

A lot smile


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#25 14-07-2015 18:13:32

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Re: My collection (herrzark)

don_kihotis7 wrote:

Thanks for the info guys.

Conservator. That's an interesting profession cool

Yeah i have read that styrofoam is not a good way to display your hats etc since it absorbs humidity and it dries out the sweatbands and leather parts. But i thought that this was an issue with direct contact.

If there is a cotton fabric between the tunic and torso is that also too bad?

Ok the covers i guess can easily be done, but finding torsos made from a different material other than plastic or styrofoam is a mission impossible.

Styrofoam off gasses some terrible stuff and in great quantities, I suggest you not have it in your home at all let alone near your artifacts. No, cotton over your plastic torsos will not help - cotton breathes and so the gasses will permeate your tunics.

I suggest you contact your local historical society and ask them where they get their archival safe torsos. It may not be easy, and it might be expensive, but it can be done. wink


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