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#1 01-10-2011 09:29:38

Tin Soldier
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From: Australia
Registered: 15-09-2011
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DAK Impression

I found some old photos of the 1943 pattern tunic i have mentioned in other posts that i used to own, pith helmet, M35, straight pants in the post above
plus also French shirt and original DAK tie. Again these were taken in the days before digital cameras so sorry there is not a lot of detail and i know
i should have taken more close up shots at the time and not behind glass with a flash. The rifle and ammo tin are not correct and the boots are WW2 Aussie
as i have never had the chance to obtain original boots. Tunic has red signal blitz and corporal strip plus cuff title, the last photo shows me wearing
the Erel cap that i posted in my first post,...Enjoy wink






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#2 01-10-2011 13:06:25

portosaid
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Re: DAK Impression

Tin soldier never ceases to surprise us with his magic photos....
dummies are wonderful!! the last DAK infantryman also!!!lol
It would an italian dummie also!!!...big_smile
want to provide?
:)portosaid


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#3 02-10-2011 02:54:27

Sebastian.V
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Re: DAK Impression

GREAT !!!

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#4 02-10-2011 03:12:06

NZMark
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Registered: 08-04-2011
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Re: DAK Impression

Tim,
Appears to be a 2nd pattern tunic with re-applied AFRIKAKORPS C/T? What was the date on that one, can you remember?
Love the set up!
Mark


Student & Collector of WWII German Tropical Militaria

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#5 02-10-2011 03:27:11

Tin Soldier
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Re: DAK Impression

1943 date, as i have mentioned Australian Soldiers had left North Africa by then so historically didn't fit
with what i wanted to display with an Australian Soldier impression Tobruk, Alamein etc sad

But my hopes were too high in obtaining a 1st pattern tunic, one did turn up once (nice bleached one that would have
gone well with my cap) but by the time i did see it someone else had already jumped on it hmm

Cheers
Stu


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#6 02-10-2011 05:58:35

NZMark
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Re: DAK Impression

Thanks Stu,
I just re-read your post at the beginning - these are not '1943 pattern' tunics as they first saw production in very late 1941 - which is why I use the term 2nd pattern instead of 'm42' or 'm43' as these are incorrect. (3rd patterns ie: m43's saw service in 1942, so the majoritory of collectors need to re-adjust their nomenclatures).
Nice tunic! Was the eagle originally sewn?
Regards,
Mark


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#7 03-10-2011 04:04:34

Tin Soldier
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From: Australia
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Re: DAK Impression

Thanks for the info Mark, well there ya go hmm
I have read and always thought that these didn't see service until 1943? But yes it still had 43 stamped inside which is why
i was never completely happy with it to do an April 1941 display for the start of the Tobruk Siege. As i have always thought that
it's better to get the earlier pattern gear because you can do a display then for most periods as the earlier gear was still seen later
in the war but you can never go backwards. It also happened in the Great War 1910 pattern German tunics were still being worn in
1918 at the end of the war but thee 1915 Bluse was obviously not seen before a certain date.

And yes as far as i know everything regarding insignia was correct but i am no expert.
I really should have kept it sad

Cheers
Stu


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#8 03-10-2011 15:04:08

andre1983nl
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From: Holland
Registered: 26-08-2011
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Re: DAK Impression

What kind of rifle is that?
Looks like a Steyr 1886


I'm a Re-enactor, so i got reproduction.

OFP.info WW2 Desert Pack - DAK mod for Operation Flashpoint
Collected by me !!

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#9 03-10-2011 17:42:58

Gebirgsjäger
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Registered: 07-08-2011
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Re: DAK Impression

It seems to be a Loewe Gewehr 88.


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Ulrich

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#10 04-10-2011 02:46:01

Tin Soldier
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From: Australia
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Yes Ulrich you are correct, it was a friends i borrowed for the photos it was dated 1896 wink


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#11 14-11-2011 21:18:41

Bond
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Re: DAK Impression

Very good impression, shame you don't have it all anymore, but that's collecting.


Regards,

Jerry


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#12 17-11-2011 11:20:43

Tin Soldier
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From: Australia
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Re: DAK Impression

Yes you are correct Jerry, as i have mentioned i always thought from what i had read that the
tunics didn't see service until 1943. But now realise that they were possibly at El Alamein, so could have
done an El Alamein impression with an Aussie hmm
But my idea was to try and get a 1st pattern tunic then you can do any impression (El Agheila, Benghazi Handicap, Tobruk or El Alamein) roll
You can always go foreward with an early pattern item but you can never go back with a late model pattern item, i've always tried to be
historically accurate. To look at the display as if i was there and say well thats exactly what i would have seen if i was an Allied soldier or if i was a German soldier wink
Not,... "well thats as close as i can get it that will do",...no no no! As you probably know a lot of these movie makers and authors have a lot to answer to, i think anybody that re-writes history or don't explain the full truth or avoid it on purpose that is,...should be jailed yikes

One gripe i have is unless you read a book about Tobruk written by an Australian author, Lieutenant General Sir Leslie James Morshead KCB, KBE, CMG, DSO, ED,
is not even mentioned in these books but he was the actual commander of the Tobruk garrison and put in place all the defensive strategies that kept the Axis at bay hmm
If he was an American or a British General his name would be known world wide sad
A lot of people know about or have heard of Tobruk but not many know the name Sir Leslie Morshead, this is very sad for Australian and world History roll

Quote from wikipedia.com

An important part of Morshead's strategy was offensive operations when these were possible. His attitude was summed-up in a reported remark, made when his attention was drawn to a British propaganda article entitled "Tobruk can take it!" Morshead commented: "we're not here to take it, we're here to give it.". The 9th Division held Tobruk not for eight weeks, but for eight months, during which time three separate relief campaigns, by the main Allied force in Egypt failed. The Axis troops learned to fear the aggressive patrolling of the Australian infantry who dominated no-man's-land and made constant raids on enemy forward positions for intelligence, to take prisoners, to disrupt attack preparations and minelaying operations, even to steal supplies that were not available in Tobruk. Axis propagandists described him as "Ali Baba Morshead and his 40,000 thieves" and branded the defenders of the port as the "Rats of Tobruk", a sobriquet that they seized on and wore as a badge of pride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Morshead

They always talk about General Archibald Wavell the British General but hey fail to mention that he is back in Egypt, but the way most are written if you didn't
know any better you would assume he is in Tobruk which is false.

Quote from wikipedia.com
General Archibald Wavell instructed Morshead to hold the fortress for eight weeks, while the remaining forces reorganised and mounted a relief mission. With the 9th Division, 18th Infantry Brigade and supporting forces from various Allied nations, Morshead's force decisively defeated Rommel's powerful initial assaults, and retained possession of the fortress. His strategy for the defence of Tobruk is still mentioned in officer training colleges around the world as an example of how to arrange and conduct in-depth defences against a superior armoured force.

This is a famous photo of him at Gallipoli in World War 1, so he was use to fighting with his back to the sea, no retreat no surrender.

He is the one at far right looking out over the parapet

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Cheers
Stu

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#13 06-12-2011 19:32:17

Jack Sparrow
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Re: DAK Impression

Hello,
Great stuff yikes
Thanks for posting smile
Best regards.
Jack

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#14 09-12-2011 06:19:57

The Magpie
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Nice set-up. The AKCT is post War added for sure. Would not get down too much on Tobruk defence. Morshead is very well known for making sure the DAK never took Tobruk. Even Richard Burton made sure of this, lol.

In the early attempts (Easter weekend & later May attacks) to take Tobruk the Italians had a large part to help with the defence, The Italian built anti-tank ditch (they had the maps but did not show them to the Germans) & extensive bunker system & captured Art, were not even mentioned to Rommel before the attacks. Also Rommel's decision to attack with only 38 Pz, (20 PzII's and 8 PzIV, one German MG Bn along with 10 Italian M13's, along a very narrow front, without waiting for reinforcements doomed the attack before it even started. The trappers became the trapped instead...  The Diggers gained the justified fearsome reputation. One could argue that the fall of Tobruk in April/May '41 would have changed the course of history in Europe.  An Axis push into Egypt and Russia might have allowed the Axis to gain the Suez Canal and opened up the whole Middle East (much of which was pro Axis anyway) to the Blitzkrieg....

Thank-You to Morshead and the Australians for not allowing this to happen, this should not be underestimated or forgotten by anyone today.

cheers

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#15 10-12-2011 04:43:02

Tin Soldier
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From: Australia
Registered: 15-09-2011
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Hi Magpie,..thanks for the comments.

You would be surprised though,... most doco's & books i have seen & read about the war in North Africa or Rommel, and the Australians are not
even mentioned or even Tobruk itself let alone Morshead. But it's not just the Australians either, you don't hear anything about the Indians or the
Polish that arrived a little bit later, i think i watched one doco about Rommel that briefly mentioned the New Zealanders at some point? So it also
makes you wonder about other battles and events in history, what really happened and who was there.

I will always remember a friend of mine who was a state champion in kick boxing and the local newspaper did an article on him and a fight night that was
coming up that weekend. And he told me that when the paper came out (he obviously got a copy to see what they had written) he said they had spelt his
name wrong, the time the event started and also the correct day the fights were on was wrong. What worried us the most is that the reporter actually wrote all
this information down he even asked my mate twice how he spelt his name and it was still incorrect.
So basically all the important info was lost, we also wondered how many people turned up on the wrong night at the wrong time roll

yikesyikesyikeshmm

lol

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#16 26-03-2014 15:25:40

timothy d
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Registered: 18-04-2013
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Re: DAK Impression

Super nice displays!  timothy

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